of what task? i'm running lots of them and benchmarking execution times. would you like to see a best case or worst case scenario? (ive kept some experiments for each).

and yeah, in those docs you just linked, "boolean" vars like CLEARML_AGENT_GIT_CLONE_VERBOSE explicitly say true so I ended up trying that pattern. but originally i did try 1. let me go back to that now. thank you.

overall I've seen some improvements in execution time using the suggestions in this thread (tysm!) - the preinstalled libs seem to be helping, though some things are still just unbearably slow (one of my larger pipelines took > 1 h to generate a DAG before even starting...).

of what task? i'm running lots of them and benchmarking

If you are skipping every installation it should be the same
because if you set CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1 it will not install Anything at all
This is why it's odd to me...
wdyt?

but pretty reliably some proportion of tasks still just take a much longer time. 1m - 10m is a variance i'd really like to understand.

what if the preexisting venv is just the system python? my base image is python:3.10.10 and i just pip install all requirements in that image. Does that not avoid venv still?

it will basically create a new venv inside the container forking the existing preinistalled stuff (i.e. the new venv already has everything the python system has preinstalled)
then it will call "pip install" on all the "installed packages of the Task.
Which should just check everything is there and install nothing

If you set " CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1" it will do checks and just use the existing system python environment as is.

, I can get 50 tasks to run in the same time it takes to run a single one? i cant imagine the apiserver being a noticeable bottleneck.

50 containers on a single machine would be fine if you have enough RAM/CPU, and yes they would run concurrently.
regrading the time itself, again the spinup time of a Task should be negligible.
Pipeline tasks are not meant to be "threads" they are meant as different functions you want to run on different machines,
This means that if your pipeline is just a set of simple functions that require no cpu/gpu or IO, I'm not sure pipeline steps is the right way to go

Does that make sense?

i would love some advice on that though - should I be using services mode + docker and some max # of instances to be spinning up multiple tasks instead?

my thinking was to avoid some of the docker overhead. but i did try this approach previously and found that the container limit wasn't exactly respected.

I think a proper screenshot of the full log with some information redacted is the way to go. Otherwise we are just guessing in the dark

I know that git clone and pip verify all installed is normal. But for some reason in Michael screenshot, I don't see those steps ...

i really dont see how this provides any additional context that the timestamps + crops dont but okay.

from the logs, it feels like after git clone, it spend minutes without outputting anything. @<1523701205467926528:profile|AgitatedDove14> Do you know what is the agent suppose to do after git clone ?
I guess a check that all packages is installed ? But then with CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1, what is the agent doing ??

im not running in docker mode though - im running a clearml worker in a docker container (and then multiplying the container)

are you on clearml agent 1.8.0?

(im noticing sometimes im just missing logs such as "Running task id.." entirely)

1.12.2 because some bug that make fastai lag 2x
1.8.1rc2 because it fix an annoying git clone bug

i just need to understand what I should be expecting. I thought from putting it into queue in UI to "running my code remotely" (esp with packages preloaded) should be fairly fast turnaround - certainly not three minutes... i'll have to change my whole pipeline design if this is the case)

Please refer to here None
The doc need to be a bit clearer: one require a path and not just true/false

ha! yup. that was it exactly. I posted about it too None lol

BTW: you can also just add -e " CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1" to the docker args (under the Execution tab) to override the setting of the docker.
you can also add " export; " to the docker startup bash script section (do not add "#/bin/bash" , just the actual script) to get a list of all the environment variables inside the docker, just in case

oooh thank you, i was hoping for some sort of debugging tips like that. will do.

from a speed-of-clearing-a-queue perspective, is a services-mode queue better or worse than having many workers "always up"?

from task pick-up to "git clone" is now ~30s, much better.

This is "spent" calling apt update && update install && pip install clearml-agent
if you have those preinstalled it should be quick

though as far as I understand, the recommendation is still to not run workers-in-docker like this:

if you do not want it to install anything and just use existing venv (leaving the venv as is) and if something is missing then so be it, then yes sure that the way to go

i was having a ton of git clone issues - disabled caching entirely... wonder if that may help too.

tysm for your help! will report back soon.

yeah... still seeing variances from 1m to 10m for the same task. been testing parallel execution for hours.

normally when new package need to be install, it shows up in the Console tab

We need to focus first on Why is it taking minutes to reach Using env.
In our case, we have a container that have all packages installed straight in the system, no venv in the container. Thus we don't use CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PIP_VENV_INSTALL
But then when a task is pulled, I can see all the steps like git clone, a bunch of Requirement already satisfied .... There may be some odd package that need to be installed because one of our DS is experimenting ... But all that we can see what is happening.
In @<1689446563463565312:profile|SmallTurkey79> case, are you saying the log don't show anything at all ? After it pull the task: 5 minutes pass and no explanation of what those 5min been used for ?

@<1523701205467926528:profile|AgitatedDove14> About why we stay on 1.12.2 : None

@<1689446563463565312:profile|SmallTurkey79> could you attach the full log of the Task?
also I would recommend "export CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1" (not true )
Usually binary env vars are 0/1
(I can see that the docs here: None
never mention it, I'll ask them to add that)