minute of silence between first two msgs and then two more mins until a flood of logs. Basically 3 mins total before this task (which does almost nothing - just using it for testing) starts.

what if the preexisting venv is just the system python ? my base image is python:3.10.10 and i just pip install all requirements in that image . Does that not avoid venv still?

it's good to know that in theory there's a path forward with almost zero overhead . that's what I want .

is it reasonable to expect that with sufficient workers, I can get 50 tasks to run in the same time it takes to run a single one? i cant imagine the apiserver being a noticeable bottleneck .

"regular" worker will run one job at a time, services worker will spin multiple tasks at the same time But their setup (i.e. before running the actual task) is one at a time..

oooh thank you, i was hoping for some sort of debugging tips like that. will do.

from a speed-of-clearing-a-queue perspective, is a services-mode queue better or worse than having many workers "always up"?

Hi Guys, just curious here, what's was the final issue?
Also out of curiosity, what does that mean? "1.12.2 because some bug that make fastai lag 2x" ?

of what task? i'm running lots of them and benchmarking

If you are skipping every installation it should be the same
because if you set CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1 it will not install Anything at all
This is why it's odd to me...
wdyt?

I can see all the steps like git clone,

git clone has nothing to do with "env setup" this is brining the code, you cannot skip that one, that said, this is why the git itself is cached on the host machine, so it is fast

... There may be some odd package that need to be installed because one of our DS is experimenting ... But all that we can see what is happening.

even if everything is preinstalled, it Verifies the packages match, this might take a long time. It's just pip being pip (if you want the extreme try to do the same with conda, that one is even slower)
the output of that verification stage is no new packages are installed (otherwise good thing we checked 🙂 )
bottom line, if you want to skip the pip verification/installation pass CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1

btw: i'm checking regrading the GH issue

what if the preexisting venv is just the system python? my base image is python:3.10.10 and i just pip install all requirements in that image. Does that not avoid venv still?

it will basically create a new venv inside the container forking the existing preinistalled stuff (i.e. the new venv already has everything the python system has preinstalled)
then it will call "pip install" on all the "installed packages of the Task.
Which should just check everything is there and install nothing

If you set " CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1" it will do checks and just use the existing system python environment as is.

, I can get 50 tasks to run in the same time it takes to run a single one? i cant imagine the apiserver being a noticeable bottleneck.

50 containers on a single machine would be fine if you have enough RAM/CPU, and yes they would run concurrently.
regrading the time itself, again the spinup time of a Task should be negligible.
Pipeline tasks are not meant to be "threads" they are meant as different functions you want to run on different machines,
This means that if your pipeline is just a set of simple functions that require no cpu/gpu or IO, I'm not sure pipeline steps is the right way to go

Does that make sense?

the timestamps were all that mattered in those.

So "Using env ..." take minutes without any output ?

I think a proper screenshot of the full log with some information redacted is the way to go. Otherwise we are just guessing in the dark

Please refer to here None
The doc need to be a bit clearer: one require a path and not just true/false

oh it's there, before running task.

from task pick-up to "git clone" is now ~30s, much better.

though as far as I understand, the recommendation is still to not run workers-in-docker like this:

export CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1
  export CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PIP_VENV_INSTALL=$(which python)

(and fwiw I have this in my entrypoint.sh )

cat <<EOF > ~/clearml.conf
agent {
    vcs_cache {
        enabled: true
    }

    package_manager: {
        type: pip,
        system_site_packages: true,
    }

}
EOF

apologies - just trying to keep sensitive data out of screenshot

AgitatedDove14 About why we stay on 1.12.2 : None

would those containers best be started from something in services mode?

Yes as long as the machine has enough cpu/ram
Notice that the services mode will start a second parallel Task after the first one is done setting up the env, if running with CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL, with containers that have git/python/clearml-agent preinstalled it should be minimal.

or is it possible to get no-overhead with my approach of worker-inside-docker?

No do not do that, see above explanation on why CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL does not work in docker venv mode

i designed my tasks as different functions, based mostly on what metrics to report and artifacts that are best cached (and how to best leverage comparisons of tasks). they do require cpu, but not a ton.

just report a single Task as multiple "titles" then each title is it's own step, then inside the "title" they have different seriese

is there a way for me to toggle CLEARML's log level?

Try to set the python master logger base logging level

from task pick-up to "git clone" is now ~30s, much better.

This is "spent" calling apt update && update install && pip install clearml-agent
if you have those preinstalled it should be quick

though as far as I understand, the recommendation is still to not run workers-in-docker like this:

if you do not want it to install anything and just use existing venv (leaving the venv as is) and if something is missing then so be it, then yes sure that the way to go

• try with the latest RC 1.8.1rc2

, it feels like after git clone, it spend minutes without outputting anything

yeah that is odd , can you run the agent with --debug (add before the daemon command) , and then at the end of the command add --foreground
Now launch the same task on that queue, you will have a verbose log in the console.
Let us know what you see

BTW: you can also just add -e " CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1" to the docker args (under the Execution tab) to override the setting of the docker.
you can also add " export; " to the docker startup bash script section (do not add "#/bin/bash" , just the actual script) to get a list of all the environment variables inside the docker, just in case

there is almost zero overhead if your docker container alreadyt has everything (including the agent) preinstalled and you set it with CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1
it then should basically just run the code.

im not running in docker mode though - im running a clearml worker in a docker container (and then multiplying the container)

fwiw - i'm starting to wonder if there's a difference between me "resetting the task" vs cloning it.

1.12.2 because some bug that make fastai lag 2x
1.8.1rc2 because it fix an annoying git clone bug

sometimes I get "lucky" and see something more like what I expect... total experiment time < 1 min (and I have evidence of this happening. logs start-to-finish in sub-minute). But then other times the same task will take 5-10 minutes.

same worker, same queue, just one worker serving it... I am so utterly perplexed by the variation in how long things take. my clearml API server is running on a beefy 32 core machine and not much else is happening right now...

im not running in docker mode though

hmmm that might be the first issue. it cannot skip venv creation, it can however use a pre-existing venv (but it will change it every time it installs a missing package)
so setting CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PYTHON_ENV_INSTALL=1 in non docker mode has no affect

okay that's a similar setup to mine... that's interesting.
much more in line with my expectation.

clearml==1.12.2
clearml_agent v1.8.1rc2

We need to focus first on Why is it taking minutes to reach Using env.
In our case, we have a container that have all packages installed straight in the system, no venv in the container. Thus we don't use CLEARML_AGENT_SKIP_PIP_VENV_INSTALL
But then when a task is pulled, I can see all the steps like git clone, a bunch of Requirement already satisfied .... There may be some odd package that need to be installed because one of our DS is experimenting ... But all that we can see what is happening.
In SmallTurkey79 case, are you saying the log don't show anything at all ? After it pull the task: 5 minutes pass and no explanation of what those 5min been used for ?

starting to . thanks for your explanation .

would those containers best be started from something in services mode? or is it possible to get no-overhead with my approach of worker-inside-docker?

i designed my tasks as different functions, based mostly on what metrics to report and artifacts that are best cached (and how to best leverage comparisons of tasks) . they do require cpu, but not a ton.

I'm now experimenting with lumping a lot of stuff into one big task and seeing how this goes instead . i have to be more selective in the reporting of metrics and plots though .

in my case using self-hosted and agent inside a docker container:
47:45 : taks foo pulled
[ git clone, pip install, check that all requirements satisfied, and nothing is downloaded]
48:16 : start training